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June 29, 2007

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Oh my God, what do I see here! One of my favorite dishes!!!

I crave La Lot all the time and thanks to your recipe, I will try making this speciality at home. I hope that the Asian supermarkets here carry those leaves...

Thank you so much for recipe! I absolutely love bo la lot =) What a wonderful job of detailing the steps here.

You're welcome Anh. I have been disappointed (actually, pissed off) at the many recipes (in Vietnamese and English) that conveniently don't tell you how to roll up the beef in the leaf. That's the major revelation in this recipe. Let the cat out of the bag!

Looking up Piper sarmentosum and Piper lolot, I found out that they are actually in the same family as Piper betle, which is "lá trầu". Interesting.

Binh, Yes!! La lot and la trau look very similar. If you don't know the difference -- la lot is on vines whereas la trau is sold cut off and in a stack -- you'd be in for a surprise. La lot is for cooking and la trau is for chewing with lime as a social stimulant.

Andrea, looking at the Bò cuốn lá lốt recipe that you post above, i somehow disagree with you in the use of lemongrass and curry powder in seasoning the meat. I recalled the authentic north vnmese recipe use finely chopped garlic and a tiny dash of ngũ vị hương (five spices) instead. I'm a pure-bred viet northerner guy myself.

There are many ways that you can season the meat and I think by offering two options above, I make that statement. Many of the bò cuốn lá lốt recipes that I've seen these days employ curry powder; I'm not into the lemongrass as other cooks are, however.

This is an extremely popular dish in Saigon, in Seven Course Beef (Bo Bay Mon) feasts. I've smelled it cooking at sidewalk cafes. Southern cooks, who are heavily influenced by Indian and Southeast Asian flavors, have a proclivity for curry powder. Northern cooks, who are more closely linked to China, would of course employ Chinese five-spice; northern cooks may add chopped peanuts to the beef too. The point of using one of those spice mixtures (curry or five-spice powder) is to draw out the fragrance of the leaf. Whether or not that is 'authentic' or 'correct' is a matter of conjecture. Authenticity is fleeting when it comes to food, particularly that of Vietnam. My ultimate question is does it taste good? Was the food crafted with care and honesty?

If you have a recipe to contribute for your favorite seasoning, let us know! I'd greatly appreciate it.

you have a strong point that i have to agree with. True, the richness of a Cuisine depends on the variety of ingredients and the various ways to cook that we can use on any one particular dish. The french believe that to be a good cook is to be able to improvise, substitute this with that to create a completely new taste and flavor for a dish. The chinese practise the same philosophy, HK Chinese and Singapore Chinese cook chinese food with completely different taste.

On the other hand, i also believe that a dish depending on when and where it was created, must always retain its authenticity because it equates to identity, and from which everything else could be derived that we call variance. Authentic Pho defines its vietnamese root, not only that but its northern vietnamese or Hanoian root (Pho Bac). Southern cooks often add daikon to the broth to make it sweet and i find its taste a little odd. The Chinese for example could easily cook Pho, but if they substitute nuoc mam with soy sauce and omit hanh tay (grilling and charring the onion ) - as a fact, the chinese never use hanh tay on any of their dishes - then i'm wondering if i can call it Pho, even though they can make a flavorful sweet broth.

I have a recipe of bò cuon lá lot that i use with a different seasoning. I will send it to you thru email. You can try it and let me know the result.

Hi Andrea, thank you for the great recipe. However, I noticed that you had erroneously referred to La Lot as Betel Leaf. It is actually not the same thing. La Lot is in the same family as Betel Leaf, but they are not the same. In fact, Betel leaf is Trau. La Lot doesn't have an English name, but is more commonly recognized by it's Thai name, "cha plu" (forgive my spelling).

Today i have a talk with one of my customer from Cali. He said that in cali Vietnamese often use grape leaves to roll breaf because they hardly buy La Lot. He was invited to try this cuisine but he did't like it.

Me too, I will never like it if some one invite me "bò lá nho". Finally we agree to have diner right this evening at "Bò 7 món" restaurant.

My mom recently made this for me and it was the best that I've ever tasted. She told me that she put a tablespoon or so of peanut butter in the meat mixture. It made it so moist and flavorful, yet you still couldn't tell that there was peanut butter in it.
Has anyone ever tried making this using what Koreans refer to as "sesame leaf"? I almost thought it was la lot the other day because it looked so similar. The taste is slightly different, but very unique.

Hi Andrea,
Thank you very much for your Bo La Lot recipe. I made it today. I used the seasoning option #2 because I like lemon grass. The dish tastes great although I am rather clumsy in cooking. I cannot imagine I could make and enjoy such a delicious dish in America where is halfway around the globe from my native country. I wish you good health and good luck.
Lynn

Thank you for your recipe :)

I'm crying! I cant find La Lot leaves here in Cape Town, South Africa.
I've had this dish in both my trips to Vietnam and this dish is the best thing i've ever tasted.
Plus the leaves made me lovely and sleepy!
If you know ANYBODY from Vietnam living in Cape Town who can help me source these please pass on my email address.
Thanks
Jill
jillian.leslie@pamgolding.c.za

Hi Jill -- I found a source in Canada recently that will send you a la lot plant. Here's their site:

http://www.floraexotica.ca/Vegie.htm

Quyen- Korean "sesame leaf" is actually Viet 'tia to,' (perilla in English, although the Japanese name "shiso" is common) and is quite a different herb from la lot, although it is very nice wrapped around beef and grilled as well. Completely different flavor and fragrance though. But, easier to grow (invasive, in fact, be careful with it) and easier to find in stores in some places.

The truth is that I have not tried this dish ... but it looks delicious ... I want to try to see if it's as tasty as shown in the photo ...

Andrea, I'd very much like to try this recipe. It doesn't make it here on Vietnamese restaurant menus here in Seattle. Same with Bo Kho (Vietnamese beef stew - very thick and rich and yummy with bread - no restaurant makes it).

Regardless, how can I distinguish the La Lot leaves from the La Trau leaves? I don't want to buy the right type of leaf for this recipe. Not the leaf used as a stimulant with lime and betel nuts.

By the way, I love both of your books: Vietnames Kitchen and Dumplings. It has most of the recipes I cherish the most - including Bo Kho. I would love to see another book with more dessert recipes (banh bo nuong, cassava cake, banh dau lon (tapioca / sticky rice cake that looks like bacon because of the layers of pink and white - or green and white (pandan + yellow bean layers) and any others.

@Chris: Sorry for the delayed response. La Lot is thin and usually sold on the vine. La trau is big and thick, usually the leaves are bundled up with a little rubber band at the base.

After having this as part of a Bo Bay Mon and a "Bo 3 Mon" (which was 3 kinds of sausages served on a normal bun bowl), I am determined to recreate the exquisite flavors. If I can't do it...gotta write the chef a letter. I will try both your methods Andrea, and report back.

@Jason G: Keep me posted. I love to know what the chef has to say! Love your sleuthing.

Andrea: I tried your oyster sauce variation (adjusted slightly), and grilled them as tiny hamburgers, as I did not have la lot leaves at the time. It tasted good. It was close to The Taste. However, the grilled flavor I remember was really deep, and may have even included pork fat of some sort. The la lot leaves also certainly were missing. Nonetheless, when served atop bun with herbs and mam nem (again, something I must learn to do perfectly), it was very tasty. Definitely part of my rotation now.

I will report back. :)

P.S. here is a link to a picture of "The Bun" that I had. A few minutes after this picture was taken, I talked to the proprietress and she happily brought out some rau ram and mint, which I mixed in the bowl with mam nem. So, so good.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8536/p5120115.jpg

http://yfrog.com/5op5120115j

I tried this w/o reading any recipes, even after reading your blog. But definitely will next time.

Ben Thanh restaurant, St. Petersburg, FL, is 1 of 2 in town that make this dish. Ben Thanh makes it better so I always go there.

Anyway, going by taste, I used the standards (salt, ground pepper, garlic, lemongrass, and a tiny bit of msg (probably not needed)).
The lemongrass stalks weren't chopping very well in the blender so I thought if I'm going to add egg to the meat anyway (think meatloaf) maybe it won't make a difference if I add it to the blend. (It didn't) That helped the blender shred the lemongrass.

I used 97/3 (3% fat)beef. (My sis said I shouldn't because the fat helps keep the meat moist. But will try a bit of peanut butter next time like Quyen's post suggested.).

The blend went into the ground beef.

1st attempt, broiled too long so they turned into charcoal sticks. 2nd attempt, baked, meat tasted good but not leaves.

Why? Was I suppose to use tender baby leaves? Are the large ones are older thus tougher?

BTW, I used the beef mix to make a flat piece (cooked faster) sausage to go with my eggs. (Ran out of Jimmy Dean Turkey Sausage). Tasted great!

I still would go to Ben Thanh, or any place that makes it right.

For $12, I get Bo Lap Lop, and a big plate full of greens, herbs, pickled daikon&carrots, and cucumbers. Also, vermicelli, rice paper, and the best fermented fish sauce (seasoned mam nem) around. You guessed it! Banh Trang Cuon Bo Lap Lop.

I won't mind if I'm called a lazy cook. :-)

Beautiful picture of your blog! Picture is also very beautiful! And the combination of good articles and background @ I love your style of this style

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