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From Richie, a food lover who wrote in 12/06:

"Hi Andrea...You can get the 'Hu Tieu Sate' powder which is very difference smell to any sate I have seen and I'm very sure that you will love it!! But it's a bit way to get it then. It's in Vietnam. You go in to ' Cho Ben Thanh' [Ben Thanh market] in Saigon and ask anybody where is 'Ba Tam Cari' then they will show you. When you get there and ask about the 'Hu Tieu Sate' they will do the mixing right there and at there you can ask any flovour you can think of and they will mix for you eg: white curry, brown curry ect... wish this will help you now and in the future!"

 


Australia is home to many Vietnamese immigrants and their food is part of the ethnic dining scene there. One visitor asked about how to make a couple of dishes that she and her family enjoy at the small Toan Thang Restaurant in Flemington, Sydney. While there are many Vietnamese restaurants in the Flemington area, this is her favorite. She reports that it's popular with other Asian folks too, as whenever she eats there, her party is the only non-Asian group in the eatery.

The recipes she asked for turns out to be a couple of interesting Viet interpretations of classics from China and Southeast Asia -- Cantonese beef chow fun and sate seafood rice noodle soup. I'd never heard of the soup before and had to do a little sleuthing to come up with a recipe for the sate paste. Take a read of the email transcript and try the recipes out for yourself!

Question 1:

My family and I regularly visit a local Vietnamese restaurant. I would love a recipe for stir fry beef in rice noodle. The noodles are quite wide and the dish has a slightly smokey flavour. It is served with a few fried green vegetables. Th eother dish we love is Sate Seafood Soup with rice noodles. The stock is thick and it has a lot of chilli added.

I love your site and will keep visiting

Answer 1:

Thanks for visiting the site. Are the noodles for the beef dish made into a crispy pancake? (The stirfried beef and veggies along with their sauce are poured over the noodles.) Or, are they thickish rice noodles that are sort of loose -- like a Chinese chow fun dish?

As for the sate seafood soup, I'd sort of at a quandary. This isn't a classic Vietnamese dish so I have to ask you some questions. It probably has a base with some lemongrass, garlic, chilies, right? Is it yellow from turmeric perhaps? How is it "thick"? Is there coconut milk?

Let me know and I can help you decipher it further...

Regards,

Andrea

Question 2:

The noodles are thick and soft and loose through the hot sauce. There is no taste of lime or fish sauce in the sauce.

The sate seafood soup has thickish rice noodles. There is no coconut milk. There are chillis, and some sort of ground nut. The soup base is quite thick.

I hope this jets us closer to the recipe.

Answer 2:

The recipes you've requested highlight a neat aspect of Vietnamese culture and food traditions -- we love to experience the cuisines of other countries! Viet people enjoy unusual flavors and textures so we're always looking for new food discoveries. Through lots of experimentation with the classic dishes or cooking concepts of other cuisines, Vietnamese cooks have developed a knack for mimicry and invention.

From what you've described, the first recipe you asked for is a classic Cantonese beef chow fun – one of my favorite dishes to order at a Chinese restaurant, albeit it's always too greasy! The Chinese dominated Vietnam for 1,000 years so it's natural that there are Chinese dishes in the Vietnamese repertoire.

Through lots of trials at home, here's my favorite recipe from Grace Young's award-winning cookbook, The Wisdom of the Chinese Kitchen: Classic family recipes for celebration and healing (1999). The flavors are exceptionally well balanced and complex – better than you'll get at most restaurants! My remarks are in [brackets]. For a nice color contrast, substitute blanched broccoli or other green vegetable for the bean sprouts.

(From Grace Young's award-winning cookbook, The Wisdom of the Chinese Kitchen: Classic family recipes for celebration and healing (1999))

Beef Chow Fun
Hu Tieu Xao Thit Bo

8 ounces mung bean sprouts, about 4 cups
8 ounces flank steak, well trimmed
¼ teaspoon baking soda
1 tablespoon thin soy sauce [light, not lite/low sodium soy sauce]
1½ teaspoons cornstarch
1½ teaspoons Shao Hsing rice cooking wine [sherry may be substituted, don't buy Chinese cooking wine, which has salt]
1 tablespoon Chinese dried black beans [salted/fermented black beans]
1 pound fresh broad rice noodles [sold in plastic at Chinese and Southeast Asian markets]
3 tablespoons vegetable oil
3 slices ginger
2 teaspoons finely minced garlic
2 scallions, cut into 2-inch sections
2 tablespoons oyster flavored sauce

Rinse the bean sprouts in several changes of cold water and drain thoroughly in a colander until dry to the touch.

Halve the flank steak with the grain into 2 strips. Cut each strip across the grain into 1/4-inch-thick slices. Place in a shallow bowl, sprinkle with baking soda, and stir to combine. Add the soy sauce, cornstarch, and rice wine, and stir to combine; set aside.

Rinse the black beans in several changes of cold water and drain. In a small bowl, mash the black beans with the back of a wooden spoon. Leaving the noodles as a slab, cut the noodles crosswise into 3/4 –inch-wide strips. [If your noodles were refrigerated, rinse them under warm water to refresh them.]

Heat a 14-inch flat bottomed wok or skillet over high heat until hot but not smoking. Add 1 tablespoon oil, ginger, and garlic to the wok, and stir-fry about 15 to 30 seconds, until fragrant. Carefully add the beef, spreading it in the wok. Cook, undisturbed, 30 seconds to 1 minute, letting the beef begin to brown. Add the mashed black beans and, using a metal spatula, stir-fry 1 to 2 minutes, or until the beef is browned but still slightly rare. Transfer to a plate. Rinse the wok and dry it thoroughly.

Heat the wok over high heat until hot but not smoking. Add the remaining 2 tablespoons oil to the wok with the noodles, spreading them in the wok. Cook undisturbed for 1 minute, or until slightly crusty. Add the bean sprouts and stir-fry 1 to 2 minutes. Return the beef with any juices that have accumulated to the wok, add the scallions and oyster sauce and stir-fry 1 to 2 minutes, or until heated through and well combined. Serve immediately.

Serves 4 to 6 as part of a multi-course meal.


Sate Seafood Rice Noodle Soup
(Hu Tieu Hai San Sa Te)

My sate soup experimentAs for the noodle soup, it's a new “invention” of Vietnamese cooks abroad. It's not a traditional Vietnamese dish but riff on Indonesian or Malay sate. Admittedly, I've never eaten this soup though now that you've emailed me on it, I'm very curious. I researched my Viet-language cookbooks as well as other Southeast Asian cookbooks for sate.

The Viet approach tends to be pretty straightforward in that the sate is based on sautéing a paste of garlic, chilies, peanuts and sometimes lemongrass up in oil. You can add ginger too. I've read in Viet recipe books from Vietnam that such a sate paste is mixed with coconut milk to make marinade for grilled meat – like a traditional Southeast Asian sate. In the states, however, it's used more liberally and is also apparently mixed into stir-fries, and as you've requested, used to make a soup.

(Note that the Viet version of sate is very simplistic when compared with the Indonesian or Malay version. There are none of the complex spices and the traditional candlenut is replaced with peanuts.)

I imagine that with your noodle soup, the restaurant added some sate paste to a light chicken stock to make the soup. Once the flavors bloomed, they dropped in the seafood and let it gently poach before ladling everything over (or fine egg) noodles. Flavoring wise, a little fish sauce was added to the broth. This is my hunch based on the fact that a restaurant wouldn't likely have a designated sate soup broth sitting around, especially if the bulk of their orders are for other traditional soups like pho.

Anyway, to replicate this soup at home, you have two options: (1) go to a Chinese or Vietnamese market and buy a jar of sate paste or (2) make the paste at home. Yesterday I was at a Ranch 99 market in the San Jose, CA area and saw for the first time this small (about 4-ounce) jar of Vietnamese sate soup paste.

Making the sate paste
Last night, I experimented and came up with a pretty tasty paste which I turned into a lovely soup. This is the recipe I came up with:

Place the following into a food processor:

1 fat or 2 small stalks of lemongrass, trimmed*, quartered and roughly chopped
3 shallots, roughly chopped
4 garlic cloves, roughly chopped
4 to 5 Thai dragon (or bird) chilies, stemmed and roughly chopped
¾ cups roasted, unsalted peanuts
1 tablespoon oil

(*Note: Before using lemongrass, chop off and discard the bottom 1/2 inch of the base where the layers come together; this portion of the stalk contains a hard core that's tough to cut. Then chop off the green woody top section, which may be boiled in water for 15 minutes to yield a terrific tea. Any loose or dry outer layers should be discarded too. Each remaining stalk should be cut into manageable 3- to 4-inch sections.)

Process to a paste. It won't be satiny smooth but it should be rather creamy.

Put ¼ cup vegetable (or canola) oil and the paste in a Teflon skillet over medium heat. Start stirring it and let it cook for about 7 to 10 minutes. The paste will lose some of its raw smell and impart an almost sweet aroma. It will also darken in color, to a light caramel. Take it off the heat and mix in 1½ teaspoons salt and 1½ teaspoons sugar. In total, you'll have about 1 cup of paste that can be stored in the fridge or to be used for soup.

You can use all the paste at once -- there's probably enough here for about 3 to 4 quarts of stock, which will yield you about 6 to 8 bowls of noodle soup. Or, use it as needed. Because I've just come up with this, I don't know how long it will last in the fridge; I suppose you could freeze it.

Using the sate paste for soup:
What I did with the paste was simply mix it into some chicken stock and let it simmer for about 15 to 20 minutes. During this time, I adjusted the flavoring with a little fish sauce and salt. The paste bloomed beautifully in the stock to produce a cloudy light yellow broth; it was thickish due to the ground peanuts. The lemongrass came through, and so did the chilies. When the broth was heady enough for my taste, I dropped in the seafood and let it gently simmer for a few minutes. I also threw in a few cubes of tofu, some shreds of crunchy wood ear and some leftover soaked glass noodles. Then I garnished with some scallion rings and cilantro and enjoyed it!

For you in terms of our efforts to replicate the restaurant's version, get some dried rice noodles (banh pho) and soak the in hot tap water for about 15 to 20 minutes until they're opaque white. Drain them and set them aside until you're ready to eat. For each bowl, use a long-handle strainer to blanch a portion of noodles in boiling water for about 20 seconds. Pull the strainer out and let the water drain back into the saucepan. Empty your noodles into the bowl. Then ladle in your sate broth and seafood, garnish and eat.

What to do about making stock:
As for your chicken stock, make your own with chicken carcasses, ginger and onion; simmer it for a good 2 hours. Or, if you're in a pinch, use this shortcut: Take some canned chicken stock (Swanson's is nice) and dilute it with water using a ratio of 1 part stock to 2 parts water. Simmer this for about 20 minutes with a a few slices of ginger, some scallion and if you'd like a few sprigs of cilantro (think of it as parsley). There, you've just Asian-ized the canned stock.

Try this out and let me know your thoughts. For me, the sate soup was a rather delicious shot in the dark!

Have fun,

Andrea


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